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Irving W. Chapley Rink Profile

Built: unknown
Compressors: two 50 hp, adds up to 100 hp. Pump: 20 hp. Brine.
Refrigeration system and boards installed 1998

Opening: Nov.25, 2017
Closing: TBA

Rink change area: nicely built small community building has daycare, swimming changerooms, and skate changing in main foyer -- rubber flooring throughout. No windows to the rink.

Staff: daytime and evening zamboni operators, rink guard during supervised public skating times

Maintenance: There are 14 ice maintenance shifts a week.

To inquire about rink permits call Titti at 416 395-6025.


Comments about this rink: e-mail us at [email protected]rinks.ca.


Father and daughter share the ice with shinny players.

bumps and shell ice -- often poorly maintained
Click on picture to enlarge it.
 

Rink Diary

2017 - 2018


Loaner skates at Wallace Rink, 2014
September 11, 2017

A letter was sent to the city councillor, offering a donation of a complete skate loan collection for this rink.

Our reasons:
* people love to borrow skates: newcomers, school classes, kids and youth who grew out of their skates
* we have 110 skates, 20 hockey sticks, 20 helmets to donate
* this kind of program has been done by city staff for 12 years at Dufferin Rink, 9 years at Wallace and Campbell -- lots of experienced staff, each one teach one
* staff often have time on their hands to lend skates and also to maintain skates
* the city has insurance that can cover this (the city is self-insured under $5 million anyway), but skate lending programs are rarely threatened with a claim if they do responsible skate maintenance.

Offer declined (actually -- ignored).

 


Rink diaries from earlier years:


2016 - 2017

Dec.1, 2016

Since its scheduled opening on Nov.26, this rink has been listed as closed -- until this evening, when it finally got on the open list.


 

2015 - 2016

March 18, 2016

The rink has been on a "closed: ice conditions" alert all week but today the alert is gone. Then by 2 pm the rink was back on the alert list again. It's one of three North York rinks that were closed March 11 but are still listed as staying open until March 20, but on alert as "closed -- ice conditions." They have no ice.

March 10, 2016

During this skating season, Irving Chapley rink has been closed almost as many days at it's been open, part of North York's conservative approach to ice management. During March, it's been closed most of the time, and yet is still scheduled to keep running until March 20.

Feb.1, 2016

8 p.m.: Temp. 3 degrees, rink listed as closed.

Jan.31, 2016

Councillor Pasternak's Sunday afternoon skating party

Councillor Pasternak's skating party was on at the rink from noon until 2. At 1.30, there were lots of people around, inside and outside and skating. Despite a forecast of rain, the sun was out and it was 9 degrees, so some skaters were in almost summer clothes. The ice was a bit wet on top along the south-facing boards, but solid. The CELOS skate loans were in evidence all over the rink, as were the skate aids, on loan from Wallace Rink. Lots of kids and adults looked like they were skating for the first time. Here and there a very young would-be skater was crying in apparent discouragement, but the mood in general seemed very friendly with lots of smiles, even for those new skaters who had to cling to the boards. How pleasant to see this rink, with its very nice building, so lively.


warm-weather skating

recreation staff Fatima and Mike drying loaner skates

Councillor Pasternak with young skaters

willing to try it
 
Week of January 18, 2016

A poster from Councillor James Pasternak's office, for their skating party on Sunday:



Wallace Rink is skate-aid depot
Jan.20, 2016

Tod Debling, 416 338-3759 at Antibes Community Centre, is working to help with Councillor Pasternak's skating day on Jan.31. He'll come over with a truck to pick up skates at Dufferin Rink, helmets and skate aids at Wallace Rink.

 
Dec.27, 2015

Closed Dec.23 - 26 "due to weather"

Dec.23, 2015

Closed "due to weather."

December 21, 2015

This rink is closed again, one of only two city rinks listed as "closed because of the weather."

December 2015: skate-lending correspondence with City Councillor James Pasternak's office

The councillor is thinking of having a skating party at the rink. His staff want to know how to set up skate lending using Randy's loaner skates.

Cityrinks.ca replies:

Someone at your end will need to be the lead on setting them up on the day, and helping to fit people with the right size and help kids to lace up tight enough. Someone will also need to track the skates -- we send along a ring binder with the forms for name, phone number, I.D. (e.g. driver's license number), size of skates (and sticks, gloves, helmets, if desired) and a place to tick off the return.

Recreation staff (rink staff) can be a help with this -- especially if their supervisor sends them to Dufferin Rink for a couple of hours the week before to get the idea of how skate lending works. Also, here's a slide show we made about Ward 18 skate lending: https://prezi.com/az6e2zyfjewg/skate-lending/#share_email

Glad that the Councillor is interested -- Irving Chapley Rink has some unfulfilled potential!


2014 - 2015

A problem with the HOLIDAY HOURS: it appears on the city's rink information website/311 that almost all of the city's rinks will have their changerooms/washrooms locked on the three main holidays: Christmas Day, Boxing Day (yes!), and New Year's Day. You can skate on most of the rinks but you can't get your kids out of the cold to change their skates and you can't take them to the washroom. This is true for Irving Chapley Rink, and even worse: this rink will be closed on two other school holidays: Dec.24 and again on Dec.31.

What's the message here -- "you should be drinking, not skating" -- ?

Nov.26 2014

The rink opened on Nov.22, closed Nov.23, reopened Nov.26.


2013-2014

Nov.29 2013

Question from a rink user: "I was hoping you could resolve an issue I ran in to a few times last year with arena staff. During non scheduled hours, for example 9.30-2 Thursdays at Irving Chapley when there is nothing scheduled between those hours, am I allowed to bring my stick and a puck on to the ice to shoot around with my friends (we're 25 years of age)."

From cityrinks: "Five years ago the head of Parks directed rink staff to make the rinks freely available for skaters when a rink doesn't have a permit or a program (for example, most of the daytime).

Does Irving Chapley now have a schedule posted on the fence? Is Thursday 9 to 2 posted as shinny time? If it isn't on the schedule like that, but that's a good time for you and your friends, and the rink is normally empty Thursday daytime, the schedule should be changed to accommodate you. Rinks change their schedules all over the city -- the staff just modify the signs with a piece of tape.

Irving Chapley is one of the least used rinks in the city, which is a shame since it's a great little rink. If the onsite staff don't welcome your group, the next thing is to ask your city councillor to help: [email protected] or (even better) 416-392-1371."

Saturday Nov.23 2013

Good ice. Five shinny players were enjoying themselves around 11 a.m. Only one of them was wearing a helmet, and skated up to me when I took the rink pictures. He was probably the rink guard (they get in trouble if they don't wear a helmet), coming up to tell me that I'm not allowed to photograph. But he missed his opportunity, so he went back to playing.

This rink, like the other North Toronto rinks, was on the schedule as opening tomorrow, Nov.24, but that seems to have been a mistake. It's lucky that there was a rink guard to let his friends know to come down, the rink was open!



 

Rink Diary 2012-2013

See also: Editor's and Rink Users' blog

 

2011 - 2012

Thursday Nov.17 2011

The rink looks like it's only half done. Much like last year. And the half that was done looked a mess -- like shell ice.

Friday Nov.25 2011

The ice looks very thin, with darker patches showing where there may be cement. This is a very quiet little Rec centre -- only a few kids in a daycare room. The caretaker/rink staff was sitting in his office. I asked him when he thought the rink would open. He said: "call 311," and then he got up, shut his office door, and walked away. I said, "thanks for being so informative!" He said, over his shoulder, "no problem."

But then out in the parking lot as I was getting into my car he said, "we've been through this before. You can't make ice when it's eleven degrees." I told him he should look at Dufferin Rink, and then I drove away.


no sign about rink opening, only "no trespassing"

Nov.25: very thin-looking ice

 

2010 - 2011

Thursday Nov.25 2010

This rink is supposed to open on Saturday. There's some good ice on it already, but a style of flooding that may not work out well. The hose is poking out from under the closed garage door and just lying on the ice with a lot of spray coming out from the nozzle. It looks like it's making a hole where the pressure is greatest.


a new way of flooding a rink?
 
Friday Nov.26 2010

A caller tells us that when she phoned to find out the status of Irving Chapley Rink, she was told that the rain from the day before had done some damage to half of the rink, and that there would be extra staff on the evening shift to repair the damage with lots of hand-floods. The rain gets blamed for human error, maybe.

At five pm, there's one rink operator inside the building. The ice is thick and hard but bumpy and uneven in the place where the hose must have done its unmanned flooding yesterday. There are also some leaves frozen into the ice -- a common problem everywhere. The rink operator says he'll resurface the ice so that it ends up smooth.


hard ice, but a bit bumpy in the middle

leaves frozen into the ice, a common problem

 

2009 - 2010

Friday November 20th, 2009

Overcast with sun. The rink had some ice but lots of holes. Mats were laid out to the staff office and the building was open. The staff sitting inside the office said that they had had trouble building or keeping ice because of the warm temperature and the sun. So they decided to shut down the compressors and wait till it was zero degrees. He said that never in his time had anyone tried to make ice so early and that since our winters were getting shorter it would make more sense to just cut down the rink season accordingly. He disagreed with who ever made the decision to have an early opening and said they should be fired.

Saturday Dec. 5 2009

High 1, low -5

A phone call to find out if the rink was open got the information that it's closed. The informant said that there was ice but that the official opening date was not until Monday Dec.7, and that's when the rink will open.

Sunday Dec. 6 2009

High 4, low -2

The 311 line says this rink is listed as open, but the rink staff say they are officially closed until Monday, because they feel the ice is too thin. However, he says, people are sneaking out onto the ice.

 

2008 - 2009

Tuesday December 16, 2008


3 pm - bumps and shell ice -- not maintained
Click on picture to enlarge it.

At 3 pm the rink looked rough, with shell ice and bumps all over it, as well as leaves blowing around or frozen into the ice. The rink doors were open but there were no skaters. A staff person was in the building, sweeping out the daycare room. He said he's the zamboni operator.

When asked about the poor ice, compared to nearby rink that had excellent ice at the same moment, he said that he doesn't do the ice unless a permit is coming, "and permits don't even start until later." He said that the rink isn't really open, "we don't do that in North York," but that if someone got on the ice during the day he "won't call the police" or kick them out.

The zamboni operator was friendly and approachable but he had quite a few strongly-held opinions about how the rinks should be run (everybody has to pay)or whether there should be outdoor rinks at all (emphatically not).

When asked whether I could put up a cityrinks.ca poster on the bulletin board he said, "why not?" but he made it clear that he didn't want to know much about it. He also reiterated that he will not do ice maintenance except for a paid permit.

Wednesday December 17 2008

E-mail to City outdoor rink manager Kevin Bowser, from cityrinks.ca Yesterday at 3 pm on a rink visit to Irving Chapley Rink, this was the situation: [link to Dec.16 report].

I assume that a zamboni operator is assigned to an A.I.R. on a morning shift to maintain the ice, and the operator can't make an independent decision not to do so at all? (You may want to click on the ice photo enlargement).

Also it would be good if your A.I.R. staff actually support public outdoor ice rinks, but even if they don't, they need to be familiar with the current policy -- i.e. that the rinks should be accessible for free, unsupervised drop-in skating when not scheduled for either programs or permits. This operator seems to be unaware of that policy, even though (rink friends tell me) the Mayor emphasized it in a recent radio interview.

December 18 2008

E-mail from City outdoor rinks manager Kevin Bowser, to cityrinks.ca I spoke to the Supervisor regarding this email. The staff you spoke to was filling in for one shift. Staff have be trained on the protocol that are at the facility on a regular basis.

December 29 2008

Letter from rink user P.M. re Irving Chapley Rink:

"I think this arena is amazing and has such great potential for a major attraction in North York during the winter months. I've seen the ice in good condition over the years and its a blast playing there. However, I have not once this season seen this place maintained properly. The 14 ice maintenance shifts each week must be spent inside that newly built community centre, and not to mention how the phone rarely gets answered.... (they still have outdoor pool information on their answering machine) Its unacceptable. A few weeks ago the worker there refused to take the zamboni on the ice when I wanted to play with buddies cause he said it would ruin the surface."

 

See Diaries tab

Views of the rink

What is more satisfying than a nice hard slaphot?

From The City of Toronto Website 2014-15

For the skating schedule, go to Irving Chapley, then click on drop-in programs then click on Skating.

Rink Diary

2017 - 2018


Loaner skates at Wallace Rink, 2014
September 11, 2017

A letter was sent to the city councillor, offering a donation of a complete skate loan collection for this rink.

Our reasons:
* people love to borrow skates: newcomers, school classes, kids and youth who grew out of their skates
* we have 110 skates, 20 hockey sticks, 20 helmets to donate
* this kind of program has been done by city staff for 12 years at Dufferin Rink, 9 years at Wallace and Campbell -- lots of experienced staff, each one teach one
* staff often have time on their hands to lend skates and also to maintain skates
* the city has insurance that can cover this (the city is self-insured under $5 million anyway), but skate lending programs are rarely threatened with a claim if they do responsible skate maintenance.

Offer declined (actually -- ignored).

 


Rink diaries from earlier years:


2016 - 2017

Dec.1, 2016

Since its scheduled opening on Nov.26, this rink has been listed as closed -- until this evening, when it finally got on the open list.


 

2015 - 2016

March 18, 2016

The rink has been on a "closed: ice conditions" alert all week but today the alert is gone. Then by 2 pm the rink was back on the alert list again. It's one of three North York rinks that were closed March 11 but are still listed as staying open until March 20, but on alert as "closed -- ice conditions." They have no ice.

March 10, 2016

During this skating season, Irving Chapley rink has been closed almost as many days at it's been open, part of North York's conservative approach to ice management. During March, it's been closed most of the time, and yet is still scheduled to keep running until March 20.

Feb.1, 2016

8 p.m.: Temp. 3 degrees, rink listed as closed.

Jan.31, 2016

Councillor Pasternak's Sunday afternoon skating party

Councillor Pasternak's skating party was on at the rink from noon until 2. At 1.30, there were lots of people around, inside and outside and skating. Despite a forecast of rain, the sun was out and it was 9 degrees, so some skaters were in almost summer clothes. The ice was a bit wet on top along the south-facing boards, but solid. The CELOS skate loans were in evidence all over the rink, as were the skate aids, on loan from Wallace Rink. Lots of kids and adults looked like they were skating for the first time. Here and there a very young would-be skater was crying in apparent discouragement, but the mood in general seemed very friendly with lots of smiles, even for those new skaters who had to cling to the boards. How pleasant to see this rink, with its very nice building, so lively.


warm-weather skating

recreation staff Fatima and Mike drying loaner skates

Councillor Pasternak with young skaters

willing to try it
 
Week of January 18, 2016

A poster from Councillor James Pasternak's office, for their skating party on Sunday:



Wallace Rink is skate-aid depot
Jan.20, 2016

Tod Debling, 416 338-3759 at Antibes Community Centre, is working to help with Councillor Pasternak's skating day on Jan.31. He'll come over with a truck to pick up skates at Dufferin Rink, helmets and skate aids at Wallace Rink.

 
Dec.27, 2015

Closed Dec.23 - 26 "due to weather"

Dec.23, 2015

Closed "due to weather."

December 21, 2015

This rink is closed again, one of only two city rinks listed as "closed because of the weather."

December 2015: skate-lending correspondence with City Councillor James Pasternak's office

The councillor is thinking of having a skating party at the rink. His staff want to know how to set up skate lending using Randy's loaner skates.

Cityrinks.ca replies:

Someone at your end will need to be the lead on setting them up on the day, and helping to fit people with the right size and help kids to lace up tight enough. Someone will also need to track the skates -- we send along a ring binder with the forms for name, phone number, I.D. (e.g. driver's license number), size of skates (and sticks, gloves, helmets, if desired) and a place to tick off the return.

Recreation staff (rink staff) can be a help with this -- especially if their supervisor sends them to Dufferin Rink for a couple of hours the week before to get the idea of how skate lending works. Also, here's a slide show we made about Ward 18 skate lending: https://prezi.com/az6e2zyfjewg/skate-lending/#share_email

Glad that the Councillor is interested -- Irving Chapley Rink has some unfulfilled potential!


2014 - 2015

A problem with the HOLIDAY HOURS: it appears on the city's rink information website/311 that almost all of the city's rinks will have their changerooms/washrooms locked on the three main holidays: Christmas Day, Boxing Day (yes!), and New Year's Day. You can skate on most of the rinks but you can't get your kids out of the cold to change their skates and you can't take them to the washroom. This is true for Irving Chapley Rink, and even worse: this rink will be closed on two other school holidays: Dec.24 and again on Dec.31.

What's the message here -- "you should be drinking, not skating" -- ?

Nov.26 2014

The rink opened on Nov.22, closed Nov.23, reopened Nov.26.


2013-2014

Nov.29 2013

Question from a rink user: "I was hoping you could resolve an issue I ran in to a few times last year with arena staff. During non scheduled hours, for example 9.30-2 Thursdays at Irving Chapley when there is nothing scheduled between those hours, am I allowed to bring my stick and a puck on to the ice to shoot around with my friends (we're 25 years of age)."

From cityrinks: "Five years ago the head of Parks directed rink staff to make the rinks freely available for skaters when a rink doesn't have a permit or a program (for example, most of the daytime).

Does Irving Chapley now have a schedule posted on the fence? Is Thursday 9 to 2 posted as shinny time? If it isn't on the schedule like that, but that's a good time for you and your friends, and the rink is normally empty Thursday daytime, the schedule should be changed to accommodate you. Rinks change their schedules all over the city -- the staff just modify the signs with a piece of tape.

Irving Chapley is one of the least used rinks in the city, which is a shame since it's a great little rink. If the onsite staff don't welcome your group, the next thing is to ask your city councillor to help: [email protected] or (even better) 416-392-1371."

Saturday Nov.23 2013

Good ice. Five shinny players were enjoying themselves around 11 a.m. Only one of them was wearing a helmet, and skated up to me when I took the rink pictures. He was probably the rink guard (they get in trouble if they don't wear a helmet), coming up to tell me that I'm not allowed to photograph. But he missed his opportunity, so he went back to playing.

This rink, like the other North Toronto rinks, was on the schedule as opening tomorrow, Nov.24, but that seems to have been a mistake. It's lucky that there was a rink guard to let his friends know to come down, the rink was open!



 

Rink Diary 2012-2013

See also: Editor's and Rink Users' blog

 

2011 - 2012

Thursday Nov.17 2011

The rink looks like it's only half done. Much like last year. And the half that was done looked a mess -- like shell ice.

Friday Nov.25 2011

The ice looks very thin, with darker patches showing where there may be cement. This is a very quiet little Rec centre -- only a few kids in a daycare room. The caretaker/rink staff was sitting in his office. I asked him when he thought the rink would open. He said: "call 311," and then he got up, shut his office door, and walked away. I said, "thanks for being so informative!" He said, over his shoulder, "no problem."

But then out in the parking lot as I was getting into my car he said, "we've been through this before. You can't make ice when it's eleven degrees." I told him he should look at Dufferin Rink, and then I drove away.


no sign about rink opening, only "no trespassing"

Nov.25: very thin-looking ice

 

2010 - 2011

Thursday Nov.25 2010

This rink is supposed to open on Saturday. There's some good ice on it already, but a style of flooding that may not work out well. The hose is poking out from under the closed garage door and just lying on the ice with a lot of spray coming out from the nozzle. It looks like it's making a hole where the pressure is greatest.


a new way of flooding a rink?
 
Friday Nov.26 2010

A caller tells us that when she phoned to find out the status of Irving Chapley Rink, she was told that the rain from the day before had done some damage to half of the rink, and that there would be extra staff on the evening shift to repair the damage with lots of hand-floods. The rain gets blamed for human error, maybe.

At five pm, there's one rink operator inside the building. The ice is thick and hard but bumpy and uneven in the place where the hose must have done its unmanned flooding yesterday. There are also some leaves frozen into the ice -- a common problem everywhere. The rink operator says he'll resurface the ice so that it ends up smooth.


hard ice, but a bit bumpy in the middle

leaves frozen into the ice, a common problem

 

2009 - 2010

Friday November 20th, 2009

Overcast with sun. The rink had some ice but lots of holes. Mats were laid out to the staff office and the building was open. The staff sitting inside the office said that they had had trouble building or keeping ice because of the warm temperature and the sun. So they decided to shut down the compressors and wait till it was zero degrees. He said that never in his time had anyone tried to make ice so early and that since our winters were getting shorter it would make more sense to just cut down the rink season accordingly. He disagreed with who ever made the decision to have an early opening and said they should be fired.

Saturday Dec. 5 2009

High 1, low -5

A phone call to find out if the rink was open got the information that it's closed. The informant said that there was ice but that the official opening date was not until Monday Dec.7, and that's when the rink will open.

Sunday Dec. 6 2009

High 4, low -2

The 311 line says this rink is listed as open, but the rink staff say they are officially closed until Monday, because they feel the ice is too thin. However, he says, people are sneaking out onto the ice.

 

2008 - 2009

Tuesday December 16, 2008


3 pm - bumps and shell ice -- not maintained
Click on picture to enlarge it.

At 3 pm the rink looked rough, with shell ice and bumps all over it, as well as leaves blowing around or frozen into the ice. The rink doors were open but there were no skaters. A staff person was in the building, sweeping out the daycare room. He said he's the zamboni operator.

When asked about the poor ice, compared to nearby rink that had excellent ice at the same moment, he said that he doesn't do the ice unless a permit is coming, "and permits don't even start until later." He said that the rink isn't really open, "we don't do that in North York," but that if someone got on the ice during the day he "won't call the police" or kick them out.

The zamboni operator was friendly and approachable but he had quite a few strongly-held opinions about how the rinks should be run (everybody has to pay)or whether there should be outdoor rinks at all (emphatically not).

When asked whether I could put up a cityrinks.ca poster on the bulletin board he said, "why not?" but he made it clear that he didn't want to know much about it. He also reiterated that he will not do ice maintenance except for a paid permit.

Wednesday December 17 2008

E-mail to City outdoor rink manager Kevin Bowser, from cityrinks.ca Yesterday at 3 pm on a rink visit to Irving Chapley Rink, this was the situation: [link to Dec.16 report].

I assume that a zamboni operator is assigned to an A.I.R. on a morning shift to maintain the ice, and the operator can't make an independent decision not to do so at all? (You may want to click on the ice photo enlargement).

Also it would be good if your A.I.R. staff actually support public outdoor ice rinks, but even if they don't, they need to be familiar with the current policy -- i.e. that the rinks should be accessible for free, unsupervised drop-in skating when not scheduled for either programs or permits. This operator seems to be unaware of that policy, even though (rink friends tell me) the Mayor emphasized it in a recent radio interview.

December 18 2008

E-mail from City outdoor rinks manager Kevin Bowser, to cityrinks.ca I spoke to the Supervisor regarding this email. The staff you spoke to was filling in for one shift. Staff have be trained on the protocol that are at the facility on a regular basis.

December 29 2008

Letter from rink user P.M. re Irving Chapley Rink:

"I think this arena is amazing and has such great potential for a major attraction in North York during the winter months. I've seen the ice in good condition over the years and its a blast playing there. However, I have not once this season seen this place maintained properly. The 14 ice maintenance shifts each week must be spent inside that newly built community centre, and not to mention how the phone rarely gets answered.... (they still have outdoor pool information on their answering machine) Its unacceptable. A few weeks ago the worker there refused to take the zamboni on the ice when I wanted to play with buddies cause he said it would ruin the surface."

 

Diary 2007 -2008

 

To see the (2007-2008) report card, click here

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