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There's nothing like outdoor skating
A project of CELOS (*)
Rink change area: Outside benches, but not enough, plus a very small indoor change room with lockers.
Staff: One to three rink guards at a time, plus a zamboni operator always on site.
Helmet use: only leisure skaters under six
Cityrinks.ca position paper: is the city's helmet in need of an update? Should little kids be forced to wear only CSA approved helmets?
Maintenance: The rink has its own Zamboni, and its own operator on two shifts. Very well maintained. However, during large events in the Square, the ice isn't cleaned because it's too hard to get the large crowd of skaters off the ice. 14 shifts a week.
Every year there's music and skating at the square on Dec.31: New Year's Eve at Nathan Phillips Square
Comments about this rink: e-mail us at [email protected].
Rink diaries from earlier years:
Opened for the season
COVID-RELATED RESTRICTIONS: To find out how to book a skating time, go to the city's outdoor rinks web page.
All shinny hockey has been removed except for Greenwood (and only children and youth are allowed there). The city's opening rules are described here and our rinks blog is here.
At 3.30 p.m. the rink at City Hall was surrounded by fencing and was staffed by both security guards and rink staff with clipboards. The ice looked fine but apparently yesterday this rink was not allowed to open. No one knew why. There is no skate rental and the rink, although very large, is being treated as a single pad with only 25 skaters allowed.
The square is filled with vendors of gifts and food trucks. A Santa guy is taking wishes up on the performance stage, with a short lineup of kids waiting. The rink sound system continues to broadcast the usual radio station, its ads still booming out over the square. The lockers still use keys, and are apparently working. The doors to the washrooms continue to have their wheelchair symbols without a mechanism to actually open the doors. Of concern to the staff is the difficulty for older skaters when they have to step down to get onto the rink, or have to go up a slippery ramp to get off.
From December 2 to March 22, the Nathan Phillips Square rink will offer extensive weekly free programming, in addition to regular free leisure skating. New programs include:
Guide your Glide Learn to skate from a City instructor every Tuesday from 7 to 9 p.m.
DJ Skate Weekends A different DJ every Friday and Saturday night from 7 to 10 p.m.
Sunday Fun Day Family games and songs on and off the ice from 11 a.m. to 2 p.m.
Lunchtime Skate Weekday lunch hour skate with music from 12:30 to 1:30 p.m.
Opened Nov.24, 2018
''At 12 noon there's an out of date posting about our main civic rink on the city's website. It's been on since Wednesday afternoon and today is Friday:
Ongoing maintenance due to freezing rain and ice pellets. The Nathan Phillips Square rink will be closed on Thursday February 7 until 3:30 pm for the Toronto Maple Leafs Outdoor Practice. The public is welcome to watch the festivities, which will take place until 3 pm. The rink will be returned to normal use from 3:30 p.m. onwards.
Also note the rink will be closed from 1 to 2:30 pm on February 8 for a City Councillor vs City Staff game on February 8.
A busy day at the rink. The radio station that the rink staff put on the P.A. is booming an ad for Shopper's Drug Mart across the square, followed by another ad. There are four rink staff sitting inside the office. The big window has no sound access for inquiries, but two of the staff come out after my sign language inquiries. They say they just put on whatever station is available. I ask them to register a complaint, and they say they will.
This has been an issue for years -- free ads broadcast across our main civic square! Embarrassing.
The accessible door openers have not been installed. The same fake signs are up as before.
The lockers are all fixed. A rink guard said they were fixed yesterday (on Boxing Day). It's nice that the Star's Fixer got involved, but it's no way to run a rink. Maybe the Fixer can ask city staff about the door-opening access buttons that are just pretend.
The fake signs have been all there is (no door-opening mechanism) since the rink building was put up in 2011. Management seemed to be unaware of this problem when we talked to them in 2015 but said they'd attend to it. Three years later it's still the same!
I just called 311 and wrote to Councillor Cressy as well. If the lockers got fixed in two days, maybe there's hope for the doors.
A Star article by the Fixer says that all lockers at the rink at city hall are out of service.
Chris Selley on twitter: "I mean, honestly, how does a LOCKER go "out of service"? How many freaking moving parts does it even have? But in any event, here's 45 coin-operated lockers on Kijiji for $2,985. Sorted."
Joshua Hind on twitter: "the Citys procurement is so slow and bureaucratic that PF&R could buy the lockers on a PCARD, but it would be summer before they had a vendor in place to install them."
There are only a few city rinks that have music for skating. Nathan Phillips and Colonel Sam Smith both play music. And it's not unusual to hear long strings of ads booming out over city hall square, along with the music.
We assumed that the city must be getting some money to broadcasts these private radio ads over the public square, so we asked the city through Freedom of Information. It turns out that the ads are broadcast all over our main civic square for free! From the FOI response:
"City staff may play commercial radio at rinks, however there is no policy or protocol governing this, it is very much a local decision."
Really?
At Colonel Sam Smith, the rink staff like CHFI. Maybe at city hall too. And they can share their taste, and the ads, with the world at large, just as they choose.
Holiday fair at City Hall
This fair is on from Dec.1 to Dec.23. There are rides for kids including a carousel, plenty of market booths selling the usual international bounty (clothing, jewellery, art) and many warming stations -- mostly propane heaters but one area with muskoka chairs and a couple of campfire cages. There's also free wine tasting -- a surprise. And the stage is set up for music later.
Note: despite all those nice things set up (by a private company) to make Nathan Phillips Square lively and fun, there is still -- sadly -- no automatic door into the public washrooms. During the summer the doors were simply propped open, to comply with the law. But in the winter when it's cold, that workaround is not possible.
In October 2016, the city awarded a contract for Replacement Of Refrigeration Plant, Pool Piping & Upgrades to Aplus General Contractors Corporation, for $4,240,000 (not including HST).
The rink has been listed as open every day since its scheduled opening on Nov.26. This website gets a fair number of inquiries for a phone number for skate lending. The company that runs the skate lending is private, not city-owned. They list this number 1-647-380-1921.
From skater Nicole Fritz: "The ice was pretty gouged, but what a beautiful day to have our last skate of the season!"
At 11.30 on a mild and sunny Saturday morning, the rink is holding up well, and it looks like before too long the sun will disappear behind the hotel, so that it won't be able to lick at the ice so directly anymore. Even though the ice is good, there are only 8 skaters on the rink. There are 4 rink guards chatting at the side, making a ratio of 2 skaters per rink guard. There's another city staff person inside the office. On a day of uncertainty about ice conditions, it would certainly be possible to spare one staff person to answer a direct phone line -- if there was one -- and let a few more prospective skaters know how the ice is.
The fake automatic door opener is still in place at the public washrooms -- a picture of a wheelchair, but it's not connected to a mechanism. The meeting at which we told rink management about this problem -- which they were shocked to hear about, and said they would follow up right away -- was on February 3rd.
The rink has been watery all week but a few people still come to skate, and at 8.15 pm the skate lending is open. For a change, there is actually a customer at the Heros Burger food counter, although they seem to be chatting -- maybe a friend has come by to help the time pass more agreeably. There are two rink guards standing at the side. The usual radio station is on. The ice looks quite thick at the sides, with a layer of water. There are 8 skaters on the ice, two more sitting on the side.
The ice has some water overtop in patches, but people seem to have a fine time skating on it.
Saturday morning: The washroom has been fixed, hurray. The rink has four green skate aids, which are being used by kids and their parents, with obvious enjoyment. The radio station booming out over the rink sound system is on a talk show, interspersed with commercials. Outside and inside the washrooms, there are fake disability buttons, just little screwed-on plastic plates. Eventually the real, operating mechanism will probably come, but when?
At 1 pm, both, the website and 311 say all Toronto/EY rinks are closed, including this one, but that's unlikely. Harbourfront shows happy skaters on their webcam, and Dufferin Rink has been open since 9 a.m., according to their staff.
I have been attending the city hall rink shinny games regularly for the previous 5 winters. We have over 20 people out on a Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights.
I my self travel from Etobicoke to play shinny here, 45% of the crowd drives in from either Richmond hill, Markham and Scarborough.
Over the last 4 years the lights have always been on. There are 3 over head arches directly over the rink, this has lights and also holds those ornaments. These are the lights that stay on all night.
Now since the rink was closed for that one day due to warm weather the lights have been switched off regularly after 10.
This is an inconvenience as we choose to play hockey instead of indulge in drugs, alcohol, and other non safe activities. Not to mention unsafe due to the popularity of the location as well as the brand it reflects on the city it self.
I hope we can get these turned back on as I have called 311 the last 2 weekends and they have acted oblivious.
Not sure if this is result of budget cuts but this should be a non-issue here.
From Josh Smart (Facebook post): "I have been playing at city hall after 10pm for 20 years. I have seen many different attitudes to the game there. There was a time in the early 2000's when every single light that could've turned off was , including the spotlights on the top of city hall... One thing that has remained the same though... Is the inability to get any real answers about why these things are happening."
Nathan Phillips Square New Year's Eve dancing and skating.
At 10 a.m.: City Hall rink is open.
The rink opened on time and with very good ice. In fact, skaters reported that they had been skating (and playing shinny) at night for several days already. This is despite daytime temperatures of 15 celsius, and on Wednesday overnight, the same.
The rink is not supposed to open until 5 days from now but it has lots of ice -- more than in some other years on opening day. The rink staff were just putting the zamboni away -- obviously they've been using it already.
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Rink diaries from earlier years:
Opened for the season
COVID-RELATED RESTRICTIONS: To find out how to book a skating time, go to the city's outdoor rinks web page.
All shinny hockey has been removed except for Greenwood (and only children and youth are allowed there). The city's opening rules are described here and our rinks blog is here.
At 3.30 p.m. the rink at City Hall was surrounded by fencing and was staffed by both security guards and rink staff with clipboards. The ice looked fine but apparently yesterday this rink was not allowed to open. No one knew why. There is no skate rental and the rink, although very large, is being treated as a single pad with only 25 skaters allowed.
The square is filled with vendors of gifts and food trucks. A Santa guy is taking wishes up on the performance stage, with a short lineup of kids waiting. The rink sound system continues to broadcast the usual radio station, its ads still booming out over the square. The lockers still use keys, and are apparently working. The doors to the washrooms continue to have their wheelchair symbols without a mechanism to actually open the doors. Of concern to the staff is the difficulty for older skaters when they have to step down to get onto the rink, or have to go up a slippery ramp to get off.
From December 2 to March 22, the Nathan Phillips Square rink will offer extensive weekly free programming, in addition to regular free leisure skating. New programs include:
Guide your Glide Learn to skate from a City instructor every Tuesday from 7 to 9 p.m.
DJ Skate Weekends A different DJ every Friday and Saturday night from 7 to 10 p.m.
Sunday Fun Day Family games and songs on and off the ice from 11 a.m. to 2 p.m.
Lunchtime Skate Weekday lunch hour skate with music from 12:30 to 1:30 p.m.
Opened Nov.24, 2018
''At 12 noon there's an out of date posting about our main civic rink on the city's website. It's been on since Wednesday afternoon and today is Friday:
Ongoing maintenance due to freezing rain and ice pellets. The Nathan Phillips Square rink will be closed on Thursday February 7 until 3:30 pm for the Toronto Maple Leafs Outdoor Practice. The public is welcome to watch the festivities, which will take place until 3 pm. The rink will be returned to normal use from 3:30 p.m. onwards.
Also note the rink will be closed from 1 to 2:30 pm on February 8 for a City Councillor vs City Staff game on February 8.
A busy day at the rink. The radio station that the rink staff put on the P.A. is booming an ad for Shopper's Drug Mart across the square, followed by another ad. There are four rink staff sitting inside the office. The big window has no sound access for inquiries, but two of the staff come out after my sign language inquiries. They say they just put on whatever station is available. I ask them to register a complaint, and they say they will.
This has been an issue for years -- free ads broadcast across our main civic square! Embarrassing.
The accessible door openers have not been installed. The same fake signs are up as before.
The lockers are all fixed. A rink guard said they were fixed yesterday (on Boxing Day). It's nice that the Star's Fixer got involved, but it's no way to run a rink. Maybe the Fixer can ask city staff about the door-opening access buttons that are just pretend.
The fake signs have been all there is (no door-opening mechanism) since the rink building was put up in 2011. Management seemed to be unaware of this problem when we talked to them in 2015 but said they'd attend to it. Three years later it's still the same!
I just called 311 and wrote to Councillor Cressy as well. If the lockers got fixed in two days, maybe there's hope for the doors.
A Star article by the Fixer says that all lockers at the rink at city hall are out of service.
Chris Selley on twitter: "I mean, honestly, how does a LOCKER go "out of service"? How many freaking moving parts does it even have? But in any event, here's 45 coin-operated lockers on Kijiji for $2,985. Sorted."
Joshua Hind on twitter: "the Citys procurement is so slow and bureaucratic that PF&R could buy the lockers on a PCARD, but it would be summer before they had a vendor in place to install them."
There are only a few city rinks that have music for skating. Nathan Phillips and Colonel Sam Smith both play music. And it's not unusual to hear long strings of ads booming out over city hall square, along with the music.
We assumed that the city must be getting some money to broadcasts these private radio ads over the public square, so we asked the city through Freedom of Information. It turns out that the ads are broadcast all over our main civic square for free! From the FOI response:
"City staff may play commercial radio at rinks, however there is no policy or protocol governing this, it is very much a local decision."
Really?
At Colonel Sam Smith, the rink staff like CHFI. Maybe at city hall too. And they can share their taste, and the ads, with the world at large, just as they choose.
Holiday fair at City Hall
This fair is on from Dec.1 to Dec.23. There are rides for kids including a carousel, plenty of market booths selling the usual international bounty (clothing, jewellery, art) and many warming stations -- mostly propane heaters but one area with muskoka chairs and a couple of campfire cages. There's also free wine tasting -- a surprise. And the stage is set up for music later.
Note: despite all those nice things set up (by a private company) to make Nathan Phillips Square lively and fun, there is still -- sadly -- no automatic door into the public washrooms. During the summer the doors were simply propped open, to comply with the law. But in the winter when it's cold, that workaround is not possible.
In October 2016, the city awarded a contract for Replacement Of Refrigeration Plant, Pool Piping & Upgrades to Aplus General Contractors Corporation, for $4,240,000 (not including HST).
The rink has been listed as open every day since its scheduled opening on Nov.26. This website gets a fair number of inquiries for a phone number for skate lending. The company that runs the skate lending is private, not city-owned. They list this number 1-647-380-1921.
From skater Nicole Fritz: "The ice was pretty gouged, but what a beautiful day to have our last skate of the season!"
At 11.30 on a mild and sunny Saturday morning, the rink is holding up well, and it looks like before too long the sun will disappear behind the hotel, so that it won't be able to lick at the ice so directly anymore. Even though the ice is good, there are only 8 skaters on the rink. There are 4 rink guards chatting at the side, making a ratio of 2 skaters per rink guard. There's another city staff person inside the office. On a day of uncertainty about ice conditions, it would certainly be possible to spare one staff person to answer a direct phone line -- if there was one -- and let a few more prospective skaters know how the ice is.
The fake automatic door opener is still in place at the public washrooms -- a picture of a wheelchair, but it's not connected to a mechanism. The meeting at which we told rink management about this problem -- which they were shocked to hear about, and said they would follow up right away -- was on February 3rd.
The rink has been watery all week but a few people still come to skate, and at 8.15 pm the skate lending is open. For a change, there is actually a customer at the Heros Burger food counter, although they seem to be chatting -- maybe a friend has come by to help the time pass more agreeably. There are two rink guards standing at the side. The usual radio station is on. The ice looks quite thick at the sides, with a layer of water. There are 8 skaters on the ice, two more sitting on the side.
The ice has some water overtop in patches, but people seem to have a fine time skating on it.
Saturday morning: The washroom has been fixed, hurray. The rink has four green skate aids, which are being used by kids and their parents, with obvious enjoyment. The radio station booming out over the rink sound system is on a talk show, interspersed with commercials. Outside and inside the washrooms, there are fake disability buttons, just little screwed-on plastic plates. Eventually the real, operating mechanism will probably come, but when?
At 1 pm, both, the website and 311 say all Toronto/EY rinks are closed, including this one, but that's unlikely. Harbourfront shows happy skaters on their webcam, and Dufferin Rink has been open since 9 a.m., according to their staff.
I have been attending the city hall rink shinny games regularly for the previous 5 winters. We have over 20 people out on a Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights.
I my self travel from Etobicoke to play shinny here, 45% of the crowd drives in from either Richmond hill, Markham and Scarborough.
Over the last 4 years the lights have always been on. There are 3 over head arches directly over the rink, this has lights and also holds those ornaments. These are the lights that stay on all night.
Now since the rink was closed for that one day due to warm weather the lights have been switched off regularly after 10.
This is an inconvenience as we choose to play hockey instead of indulge in drugs, alcohol, and other non safe activities. Not to mention unsafe due to the popularity of the location as well as the brand it reflects on the city it self.
I hope we can get these turned back on as I have called 311 the last 2 weekends and they have acted oblivious.
Not sure if this is result of budget cuts but this should be a non-issue here.
From Josh Smart (Facebook post): "I have been playing at city hall after 10pm for 20 years. I have seen many different attitudes to the game there. There was a time in the early 2000's when every single light that could've turned off was , including the spotlights on the top of city hall... One thing that has remained the same though... Is the inability to get any real answers about why these things are happening."
Nathan Phillips Square New Year's Eve dancing and skating.
At 10 a.m.: City Hall rink is open.
The rink opened on time and with very good ice. In fact, skaters reported that they had been skating (and playing shinny) at night for several days already. This is despite daytime temperatures of 15 celsius, and on Wednesday overnight, the same.
The rink is not supposed to open until 5 days from now but it has lots of ice -- more than in some other years on opening day. The rink staff were just putting the zamboni away -- obviously they've been using it already.
I am going to be skating at Nathan Phillips Square, and wondered whether there are lockers we can rent to hold our purses/phones/other valuables?
Hello - there are lockers, it seems. See here: http://www.cityrinks.ca/wiki/wiki.php?n=CityHallRink.FrontPage#Diaries If you get a chance to let us know if they are accessible and what your experience was like - please do.
Thanks for this information. I went skating and it was terrific good skates, plenty of lockers, and lots of fun!
Your website says that the nathan phillips square rink closes for the season on March 10 but according to the city of Toronto it closes on the 15th. Normally that difference of 5 days wouldn't matter but it happens to cover March break so visitors to the city might want to know that the rink is actually opened. Your site is the one that comes up first when I google Nathan Phillips Square skating so I imagine that is true for other tourists too.
Response from cityrinks:
Thanks for pointing that out. Cityrinks.ca actually has individual pages for 56 compressor-cooled rinks plus 18 natural ice rinks. On the home page we wrote March 15, but I'll change the sub-page too.
If you look at the home page you'll see that we're the unofficial website, i.e. we're not a municipal site, we're outdoor-rink enthusiasts who want the rinks to work well. Outdoor rinks don't work at all well in March, the sun is too high already and has too much power: http://cityrinks.ca/wiki/wiki.php?n=HowToFixIt.OutdoorRinksAndWeather. Compressors are strong but the March sun is stronger :-)
Note today's "latest news" on our home page -- if the sun keeps shining during most of the day, the rinks will start to be mush by 1 pm, and will be mostly unskateable by 3. Some ice surfaces may come back for an hour or two by this evening, if they're not too rutted from people trying to skate on them.
So out-of-town visitors might want to leave their skates behind, no matter what the city's rink schedule says...
Diary 2011 - 2012, Diary 2010 - 2011, Rink Diary 2009 - 2010 Diary 2008-2009, Diary 2007-2008, Diary 2006 - 2007, Diary 2005 - 2006, Diary 2004 - 2005
Total cost of City Hall Rink reno was increased by $750,000.00 net of all applicable taxes ($763,200.00 net of HST recoveries), revising the current contract value from $1,935,019.00 to $2,685,019.00 net of all applicable taxes.
See here for Contract award details.
posted January 07, 2009
We have gone to several disparate sources to arrive at an estimate of annual (seasonal) operating costs of Toronto's 49 outdoor rinks ("AIR's" - Artificial Ice Rinks).
Our best estimate of direct costs from these approaches is
Total direct cost estimate $3.2M (average about $65,000 per rink - 12 week season)